Guav ([info]throwingstardna) wrote,
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[info]insomnia writes:

The Face Of The Occupation Just Got Uglier
Last night, CBS' 60 Minutes Two aired allegations—supported by numerous photographs and witnesses—that document numerous cases of torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners inside Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Amongst the photographs were pictures of prisoners with wires attached to their genitals, prisoners stacked in a pyramid, prisoners forced to simulate oral sex on others, and prisoners who appear to have been beaten to death.

The New York Times is now covering this story. A total of 17 soldiers, including a brigadier general, have been removed from duty as a result, and Court-Martials are in the works for at least six soldiers. At least one of those charged blames the military for staffing the prison with reservists, not providing them with procedures for running the facility, and not educating them on the proper treatment of prisoners.

More bad and potentially inflammatory news at a bad time. The pictures are already circulating out there and other articles are already in the works, so it's a safe bet that the pictures will be broadcast on Arab television very shortly—just like they were on CBS.

Of course, there is deafening silence over at [info]conservatism and the other bastions of righteousness, although you can rest assured that if our POWs were ever treated like this, they'd be howling like rabid banshees—as would I.

Like Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt very correctly stated:
"If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."

There are pictures:


This Iraqi prisoner had electrical wires wrapped around his arms, his legs, and his testicles. He was told that if he stepped off the box, that he would be electrocuted.


They were forced to get up on one of another in a pyramid, with bags over their heads.


They're in that pyramid, bodies stacked up on one another, and those two soldier guards are grinning like it's some big fun game to play with the prisoners.


They were forced to perform oral sex on each other at gunpoint.


A big, wide smile on the woman's face as she does a thumbs-up and points at the exposed genitals of the Iraq man with his two other prisoners sitting on the ground with bags over their heads.


Again, there are the smiles and the thumbs-up gesture while the Iraqi man huddles on the bodies of his other prisoners in that pyramid.


This is the body of an Iraqi man who died of beatings at the hands of the American soldiers.


What the FUCK were they thinking?


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[info]ladyortyger
2004-04-29 11:08 am UTC (link)
I am disgusted. Ugh.

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[info]mrrodgers666
2004-04-29 10:01 pm UTC (link)
That's so terrible...

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(no subject) - [info]hyuga, 2004-04-29 10:41 pm UTC (Expand)
MIRROR WITH IMAGES - [info]blty6, 2004-04-30 09:09 am UTC (Expand)
ORAL SEX PHOTO - (Anonymous), 2004-05-05 07:45 am UTC (Expand)

[info]gnarlybrains
2004-04-29 11:09 am UTC (link)
The Horror!

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[info]xsaltyx
2004-04-29 11:10 am UTC (link)
This is seriously sick... What the fuck is wrong with people?

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[info]31seel
2004-04-29 11:11 am UTC (link)
Thinking?

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[info]delicata77
2004-04-29 11:36 am UTC (link)
exactly.

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[info]cu8yth38ay
2004-04-29 11:13 am UTC (link)
we're at the top of the food chain, right? we're not animals

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[info]art_junkie
2004-04-29 01:33 pm UTC (link)
We're not animals? Huh... I've been living a lie!

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[info]sleia
2004-04-29 11:14 am UTC (link)
holy fuck.

one of the reprocussions of overworking the military kids over there. pissed off about having to be there and not thinking about those photos getting into the hands of a someone else.

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[info]lordindra
2004-04-29 11:52 am UTC (link)
Thats a cop out. US personnel are well trained in the geneva conventions in basic training. They know better than to do this. There is no excuse. Those responsible will be spending a long time at Ft Leavenworth, overworking them is no sort of excuse whatsoever.

When I was a Corporal in the Marines, if I ever had a Marine do this, I would make damn sure that Marine paid for his crime.

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It wasn't a cop-out. - [info]throwingstardna, 2004-04-29 11:56 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sleia, 2004-04-29 12:02 pm UTC (Expand)
exactly - [info]josephgrossberg, 2004-04-29 01:07 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]clsmooth
2004-04-29 11:16 am UTC (link)
that is so fucked up. so so fucked up. :(

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[info]rudezombie
2004-04-29 11:17 am UTC (link)
Humanity can be so fucking disapointing.. Isn't there some kind of psychological screening process involved to weed sickos like this out of the armed forces? Or at least keep them away from situations that allow them to act out whatever fucked up shit they want to try. Now in many people's minds, this will be a representation of how all US soldiers behave.

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[info]finstergrrrl
2004-04-29 11:45 am UTC (link)
there is such a process. unfortunately, it seems largely to have been suspended in the interest of retaining enough troops to carry out bush & cheney, ltd.'s diabolical scheme nefarious plot plans for world domination little war. in the same vein, testing positive for drugs - and we're not talking just pot here, people, we're talking coke and meth - is, in most cases, no longer enough to get you kicked out of the army. i also find it ridiculous that there should be a gang problem on the larger army posts, but there is.

i've heard the justification that the army is a cross-section of society and all sorts of people will join. that's true. but the army doesn't have to keep them all, not if it wants to prevent these sorts of, um, PR blunders.

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Exactly right, unfortunately. - [info]wheatgirl, 2004-05-01 02:15 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]thebitingfaery
2004-04-29 11:20 am UTC (link)
Oh my god. That's absolutely one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.

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[info]thebitingfaery
2004-04-29 11:27 am UTC (link)
I have cross-posted this.

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[info]creactivity
2004-04-29 11:21 am UTC (link)
As I watched that last night, and heard one of the soldiers charged say that the reason for all that was they weren't given procedures to follow (that they kept asking for)...I thought...HOW THE HELL DOES YOUR CONSCIENCE NOT GIVE YOU PROCEDURES TO FOLLOW THAT ARE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU DID?!?!

Supposedly they believed they were acting with the CIA to get prisoners to talk. How the hell any of that was thought to be anything that would make anyone talk, I have no idea.

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[info]rival
2004-04-29 11:26 am UTC (link)
I don't know about you, Susan, but when I'm not told what to do -- on a school assignment, say -- my default action is to abuse, degrade, and beat the hell out of my team members. I thought I was working with the CIA, okay?

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You're not so bad yourself heheh - [info]throwingstardna, 2004-04-30 07:55 pm UTC (Expand)
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not as rigorously trained? - [info]cyclopatra, 2004-05-01 03:42 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]violentnitemare
2004-04-29 11:25 am UTC (link)
Omg....That is horrible!!!

How? How can people be soo cruel and inhumaine?

Ughh..

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[info]axismundi
2004-04-29 08:31 pm UTC (link)
If thats cruel and unhumane... then what do you call the things the iraqi's have been doing to their own people for decades... rape, genocide, random killings, killing someone for blinking... killing someone for looking at them funny... killing someone for walking down the street... killing someone just becuase they have nothing else to do. Also, I wouldn't believe everything you see on tv... I especially wouldn't believe everything you see ONLINE

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Re: ... - [info]crushdmb, 2004-04-30 09:04 am UTC (Expand)
Re: ... - [info]perstefani, 2004-05-04 01:03 pm UTC (Expand)
How can people be soo cruel and inhumaine? - (Anonymous), 2004-05-04 05:51 am UTC (Expand)

[info]transmigrant
2004-04-29 11:27 am UTC (link)
Mind if I copy paste this onto my journal with your credited? Let's start a magazine together and call it something witty.

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[info]throwingstardna
2004-04-29 11:31 am UTC (link)
Copy and paste the entire thing, but don't credit me—credit it to [info]insomnia and [info]slackerwink as I have it credited.

I don't need credit for the few lines I wrote :)

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Cakewalk
[info]maxomai
2004-04-29 11:28 am UTC (link)
That's nothing compared to what we're *gonna* do.

We need that oil, and we ain't gonna get it from Saudi Arabia once the House of Saud goes belly up in about, oh, five years. Without it, the whole country (US) goes to hell.

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[info]theultimateend
2004-04-29 05:52 pm UTC (link)
That's close to one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while, america could easily run dependent of opec and have prices barely higher then they are now. We don't NEED any oil.

- Tue -

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Re: Cakewalk - [info]maxomai, 2004-04-29 07:04 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Cakewalk - [info]theultimateend, 2004-04-29 07:07 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Cakewalk - [info]srattus, 2004-04-29 11:52 pm UTC (Expand)
Forget Venezuela - [info]maxomai, 2004-04-30 09:28 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Forget Venezuela - (Anonymous), 2004-05-01 08:47 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Forget Venezuela - [info]maxomai, 2004-05-01 10:05 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Cakewalk - [info]devilsfood, 2004-04-29 07:57 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Cakewalk - [info]deeptape, 2004-05-03 08:16 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: Cakewalk - [info]maxomai, 2004-04-30 10:12 am UTC (Expand)

[info]agent99
2004-04-29 11:30 am UTC (link)
Oh thats just rediculous. And disgusting.

Honestly we (the USA as a whole) sit on our high-horses, playing police to the world, but lo-and-behold...

And I aggree with the quote. We cant very well expect our POWs to be treated very well (and they have been treated alot better than that!) when we cant even give other POWs the same respect and dignity that every human being deserves.

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OK, ok that was fucking stupid.
[info]adron_bh
2004-05-02 10:23 am UTC (link)
US Soldiers in the previous and current Iraq confrontation where...
A. Beaten
B. Raped
C. Tortured

This current imagery shows my Iraqi standards humane treatment. How you get off saying that US soldiers get treated better is bullshit.

...and by the way, this is not the "normal" soldiers... it's a small group of fuck heads that acted without direct command or order except wihtin the small group. As expected when found out they will probably be thrwon in the brig for a LONG ass time.

99% of all Iraqi prisoners from this and the previous Iraqi conflict where treated "EXCEPTIONALLY" well given medical treatment food and other needs that in their army AND in their country WASN'T even available!!!

Yes what they did was stupid, fucked up, and degrading. By no means should it be among intelligent people, a reflection of the US military. Which on whole has been more humane than any other military in history (Possibly because it doens't have THAT much history... but the fact and point remains).

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Re: OK, ok that was fucking stupid. - (Anonymous), 2004-07-08 08:44 am UTC (Expand)

[info]toolheadjdg
2004-04-29 11:32 am UTC (link)
I watched that story last night. I kept thinking about things my college baseball coach asked us a lot...."What are you doing to help yourself in this situation?" The soldiers, American public, lying bastards in charge, and the righteous all get disgusted over POW's shown on Al Jezeera yet we do the same things. That'll definitely get you some respect in a country that already doesn't want democracy!

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[info]fallacious_kiss
2004-04-29 11:33 am UTC (link)
what. the. fuck.

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[info]bigger_boss
2004-04-29 11:40 am UTC (link)
My o' my ,I wonder who was stupid enough to take those pictures and pose in them too,I guess that little sluts panties was pretty wet(I guess the Iraqi boy's did not have to much choice)but I have seen worse but then Nazi's was involved and it was from Bergen Belsson,but HEY it's war or something so I guess this was good stuff(In love and war you know..)...or maybe not...My guess is that this is far from representative,but still disturbing,but I guess seeing your friends getting blown away does stupid shit to your head,my guess is that those "soldiers" gotta pay for their fun in the sun.

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[info]chisparoja
2004-04-29 07:44 pm UTC (link)
My o' my ,I wonder who was stupid enough to take those pictures and pose in them too,I guess that little sluts panties was pretty wet

you stupid brainless misogynist idiot, get it through your skull she's participating in the same fucking sexual torture that all the other soldiers are, you dumb moron. what does the thought of a woman forcing two boys into sexual positions with each-other intimidate you so much that you feel the need to reassert your meaningless little macho ego by calling her a "little slut" with "wet panties".

go to hell, you pathetic misogynist asshole, because i know from experience your kind are no better than those soldiers in the picture are, this is exactly the sort of imagery you get off on anyway.

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[info]_sweetest_
2004-04-29 11:42 am UTC (link)
I love how americans think america is so great, that americans are better. Americans are shit.... All americans blacks, whites, hispanic americans. We all fucken suck.

What did these people do? Or were they just random prisoners?

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[info]throwingstardna
2004-04-29 11:51 am UTC (link)
America IS great in many ways ... and no, we don't "all suck" anymore than all Iraqis or anyone else "all" suck.

I don't know what these people did ... they could be petty thieves or high-ranking al Qaeda operatives, I don't think it really matters. We have a responsibility to uphold the values we supposedly stand for regardless.

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[info]rosetintedwhim
2004-04-29 11:45 am UTC (link)
that's absolutely repulsive. it is good that it was aired on 60 minutes though, a broad range of people will see it.

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[info]rttgirl
2004-04-29 11:54 am UTC (link)
At least one of those charged blames the military for staffing the prison with reservists, not providing them with procedures for running the facility, and not educating them on the proper treatment of prisoners.

As [info]soulardent said above, how can the excuse of "not providing them with procedures" and "not educating them on the proper treatment" work? I'd think that these actions obviously fall pretty far outside the realm of "procedure" and "proper treatment", and that it doesn't take training to know that. Common sense should do that trick.

What gives me the chills even more than the torture and beatings (which is bad enough) are the grins on the faces of the soldiers in those pictures. The idea that people like that, with such callous disregard (or blind oblivion, I'm not sure which) for the consequences of their actions, are representing America makes me feel ill...

Nothing in the Washington Post on this - but I'm not suprised, seeing as their article on the Nightline broadcast was rather, ummm, spun, shall we say?

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[info]kymby
2004-04-29 11:56 am UTC (link)
what the fuck.

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[info]snowfreak
2004-04-29 11:58 am UTC (link)
i just posted a link to this in my journal.

this is possibly the most disgusted i've ever felt to call myself an American. to know that those are OUR people - the ones that CLAIMED they were there for humanitarian reasons... UGH. i'm going to go throw up and hit something.

i understand this may not be the most appropriate place to state this - but i wanted you to know that your journal has become somewhat of an addiction for me and i very often repost (with credit of course) the things you put in here. thank you for that, your well-informed commentary makes my day just that much more bareable.

.k

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You're welcome.
[info]throwingstardna
2004-04-29 12:59 pm UTC (link)
Jeez, no pressure or anything....

:)

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[info]crash666
2004-04-29 12:07 pm UTC (link)
I'll assume that everyone's "shock & awe" responses to these pictures are genuine, and therefore naive beyond belief.

To believe that US soldiers (or any soldiers) never abuse or torment captives is ridiculous. Captives have been abused since conflict between opposing groups was invented (see: loin cloths and heavy rocks).

Abuse and torture are a fact of war. To believe that wars can be fought without abuse and torture (or casualties, or civilian deaths) is to live in a fantasy world. US soldiers are not somehow above treating their captives poorly, regardless of what our leaders pretend, and for every incident now coming to public attention, rest assured there are no doubt dozens (or hundreds) of others that will never be revealed.

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[info]lordindra
2004-04-29 12:16 pm UTC (link)
It happens, but when such abuses are discovered, stiff punishment must be handed down. Fucked up shit happens in war, its impossible to prevent, but that doesnt' mean we shouldn't be angry when it happens, punish those responsible, and do whatever we can to minimize such abuses(without risking a swift victory).

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holy fuck
[info]qada
2004-04-29 12:10 pm UTC (link)
i hardly ever cuss in arabic, but it just came out.
is it wrong to want to torture the american soldiers in those pictures?? oh, the things i would do to them. <3revenge<3

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[info]sugarplumkitty
2004-04-29 03:06 pm UTC (link)
Nope! I wouldn't have a problem with that. They deserve to feel what they put those poor guys through. Maybe then they'd learn some compassion. But would they?

The sad thing is, sociopaths do very well in the military. They're unable to see others as they see themselves, so they can fight and kill without feeling a twinge of horror.

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